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Proving astrology in the interim

Research
By Ray Murphy, Section News

Posted on Fri May 31st, 2002 at 06:00:18 EDT
Those of us who are interested in probability statistics - (even in an amateurish way like myself) are frequently exposed to criticism of our art by educated skeptics who claim that much of what we think we see in astrology is actually an illusion. In simple terms they say we are kidding ourselves.

Now I'm sure that this does happen at times - especially with the more gullible of us; but why do we retain our strong confidence?

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Do we retain our confidence in astrology because of clear-cut examples which we experience periodically, or because of belief?

Personally I retain my confidence in astrology because of a long string of events like the  following - and this is without the basic reading of charts or observing transits etc.

I know these examples are pretty basic - but they may actually help us to get to the point of proving beyond reasonable doubt that there is a correlation between the movement of planets and human affairs.

When I see a new person who acts like they have been taking "Mexican jumping beans" I will ascertain if they have MA con JU in their natal chart. Sometimes they don't, and it may turn out that they have MA sq JU -- or MA on the ASC/Desc axis; but either way any observing astrologer sees the connection.

The same sort of thing applies to the person who acts like the archetypical sales(man).What do we do? We may ask if the person has SU con JU or if he has SU in SG.

We are having a conversation with a new person and suddenly we realise their eyes have locked on to us - and there is no escape. Naturally we think Scopio Sun or an equivalent. Some of us don't let it rest until we find the answer. When we do we are (once again) convinced more than ever that astrology is valid.

How about contributing a few of your own simple examples of this sort of thing?

Ray

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Why We Believe ( 4.50 / 2 ) (#4)
by shrdina on Fri Jul 12th, 2002 at 02:29:41 EDT
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I think I am perceiving two topics of discussion; one is of the nature of our beliefs, and the other is of scientific validation.  This last is concerned with the questions of probability, statistics, and the likelihood on impressing an informed skeptic.  Let me address the latter first, and the former second.

In my experience, astrological indicators point to tendencies and energies.  Thus if, for example, one had Saturn conjunct one's midheaven, one could experience restriction and contraction in one's career, OR the reward for hard work, and diligence. (This last may be surprising, but I have seen it happen.  Saturn does not always bring problems - just a lot of the time).  The exact way in which this would affect a person depends on the individual circumstances and choices of that person.  Perhaps these can be obtained from the birth chart....With Saturn, a lot would depend on that person's previous actions.

Given that people subjected to a particular energy (a particular tension) will manifest these energies in very different ways, probability and statistics becomes very difficult on a predictive level.  This is to say, that if you were to survey persons subjected to this transit you would find that they all reacted differently.  But if you were to ask a large number of people under this transit if they were under tension at this time, they would respond that they were; but I suspect that they would affirm that they are always under tension in these areas anyway. As are we all.

Your ability to predict areas of tension, areas of growth in people's lives is there through astrology, but your ability to predict their actions is not.  This is because of their freedom of choice and their individual proclivities.  

Since they all would respond that they are all under tension anyway (as would anyone with a job), and since the responses are so idiosyncratic, the predictive abilities of astrology are not likely to impress any skeptical observer undertaking statistical analysis, especially since such analyses could not reasonably be expected to include delineations of the birth charts and progressed charts of the subject.

Yet the predictive powers are there, given understanding of the natal chart and the transiting planets.  And as I examine the charts with which I am intimately familiar (which takes a lot of time), I can definitely see the predictive power of astrology.  And that is why I believe. I can see where growth and tension occur, but I cannot predict how an individual will respond.

Astrology is an art, and as an art it is as difficult a subject for statistical analysis as Michelangelo's scuptures.



Proving astrology ( 4.50 / 2 ) (#2)
by Rab (rab@peterboro.net) on Sat Jun 1st, 2002 at 02:07:02 EDT
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We are often subsconsciously drawn to situations
that will support our beliefs, and repelled by
those that won't. Or, we may enter into a
particular stream of occasions of a certain type
whose nature is reflected in our astrological
associations.. for a while, until there's a shift
to a different stream that results in a
completely different set of observations -- about
the same thing.

The only way to get out of subjective traps like
these is through testing and replication. And
testing involves the selection of definitions &
usable criteria, like what exactly is meant by
"jumpiness" or "salesmanship", and what is it not?
(Especially in borderline cases). Also taking into
account the conditions under which such behaviours
are most likely to arise. Or not.

Then you need a fair sample of cases to judge.
Preferably not selected by yourself alone,
because that's how subconscious bias intrudes.
As it will, too, if the selection process involves
other astrologers. (Collusion).

In other words, fair testing involves more than
statistics. This is not nearly as important as
defining criteria and the method of selecting
test samples.

-=Rab
http://www.astrocyclics.com


Proving ( 3.00 / 1 ) (#1)
by Axel Harvey on Fri May 31st, 2002 at 19:53:21 EDT
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Hi Ray! Why are there no comments? Well, I've just written two juicy stories from my practice and then erased them, because I realized I was giving away information which might - theoretically - allow my clients to be identified.

I think your remark about SO-JU aspects making salesmen also works in synastry. When I encounter someone with Jupiter opposed to my Sun, he or she will try to sell me something, not necessarily a product: it is more likely to be an ideology or a theory.



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