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Definitive answers on birth times in 20th century
By Ray Murphy, Section Technique Posted on Wed Jul 2nd, 2003 at 13:45:53 EDT
This is probably the first time that some definitive answers have been published in relation to the accuracy of birth times given to astrologers. I've just processed well over 1/4 million charts, mostly from Europe, and found that the people have been recording birth times with increasing precision during the last few decades. It seems that most births are now being recorded at 1 minute and 5 minute intervals, and with much less bias towards reporting birth times on the 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or full hour. Post Comment

Logic tells us that when a large sample of birth times are sampled, we should get an even distribution of minutes but of course that is not the case with the hours of birth - because they can easily be affected by several things.

I've now placed two jpegs on my web site which show the difference between the recorded birth times in 1920's in Europe and then in 1990's. You will see why we should have a lot more confidence in recent birth times than earlier ones, and also why it has been necesary all along to rectify charts (or at least attempt to verify them by checking transits).

We can see by the graphs that with births recorded at 5 minute intervals, that they cannot be exactly right because it is impossible to get that sort of uneven distribution, but those times, if recorded carefully, should work quite well for astrology.

This new information will make researchers more aware of the likley error involved when handling large batches of birth data. It will also serve to remind astrologers that we should all try and verify or rectify charts from earlier decades because a high proportion of them cannot be correct.

http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/birthtimescompared.html

Currently the web page is loading slowly because the jpegs are of higher quality. The data used for this project is not available for distribution and was anonyomised by the supplier to prevent any personal details being revealed to anyone.

Ray

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Definitive answers on birth times in 20th century | 3 comments (3 topical, 0 editorial, 0 pending)

Birth times ( 3.50 / 2 ) (#1)
by Axel Harvey on Fri Jul 11th, 2003 at 09:56:39 EDT
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Ray's observations rigorously confirm what we have all noticed casually in our daily practice. With some of my more recent clients, mainly Canadians born since 1970, I have on occasion rectified to within a couple of minutes of the stated time. Of course, whether or not a birth moment on a five-minute boundary "should work quite well" depends on the technique the astrologer intends to use. My own habit is to test rectified times at 0.1-minute (i.e. 6-second) intervals, although some of my colleagues (Alexander Marr, Larry Ely, others) have reprimanded me for not going all the way down to the second.

In Quebec and maybe elsewhere - please post if you know - midwives hold themselves to higher standards than conventional obstetricians. They must record the time not only of a birth, but also of various stages in a birth. The babies born under this regime are now approaching their 20s and will soon have accumulated enough events in their lives to permit tentative rectifications. This is a great opportunity for research: it might provide an empirical answer to the question of what is a birth moment for astrological purposes (or it might come up with the result that there is no relation between the biological stages of birth and the horoscopic moment, which would be equally useful to know).

Definitive answers on birth times in 20th century by Ray Murphy, 05/09/2004 08:29:53 EDT (3.50 / 2)

Samhi ( none / 0 ) (#3)
by Axel Harvey on Tue May 15th, 2007 at 08:26:43 EDT
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Hi Samhi! While your website is astrological, the way to promote it is not in the form of a comment on an unrelated topic. It would be fair to write a diary item where you introduce yourself and give a URL that works. And the URL in your first message, which I have deleted, led to a "page not found" error message. Cheers, Axel

Definitive answers on birth times in 20th century | 3 comments (3 topical, 0 editorial, 0 pending)

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